The Qur’an…a way of life
All reference numbers below are from the Qur’anul Qarim. Please refer to the relevant ayaah as stated at the end of each point.
1. Respect and honour all human beings irrespective of their religion, colour, race, sex, language, status, property, birth, profession/job and so on [17/70]
2. Talk straight, to the point, without any ambiguity or deception [33/70]
3. Choose best words to speak and say them in the best possible way [17/53, 2/83]
4. Do not shout. Speak politely keeping your voice low. [31/19]
5. Always speak the truth. Shun words that are deceitful and ostentatious [22/30]
6. Do not confound truth with falsehood [2/42]
7. Say with your mouth what is in your heart [3/167]
8. Speak in a civilised manner in a language that is recognised by the society and is commonly used [4/5]
9. When you voice an opinion, be just, even if it is against a relative [6/152]
10. Do not be a bragging boaster [31/18]
11. Do not talk, listen or do anything vain [23/3, 28/55]
12. Do not participate in any paltry. If you pass near a futile play, then pass by with dignity [25/72]
13. Do not verge upon any immodesty or lewdness whether surreptitious or overt [6/151].
14. If, unintentionally, any misconduct occurs by you, then correct yourself expeditiously [3/134].
15. Do not be contemptuous or arrogant with people [31/18]
16. Do not walk haughtily or with conceit [17/37, 31/18]
17. Be moderate in thy pace [31/19]
18. Walk with humility and sedateness [25/63]
19. Keep your gazes lowered devoid of any lecherous leers and salacious stares [24/30-31, 40/19].
20. If you do not have complete knowledge about anything, better keep your mouth shut. You might think that speaking about something without full knowledge is a trivial matter. But it might have grave consequences [24/15-16]
21. When you hear something malicious about someone, keep a favourable view about him/her until you attain full knowledge about the matter. Consider others innocent until they are proven guilty with solid and truthful evidence [24/12-13]
22. Ascertain the truth of any news, lest you smite someone in ignorance and afterwards repent of what you did [49/6]
23. Do not follow blindly any information of which you have no direct knowledge. (Using your faculties of perception and conception) you must verify it for yourself. In the Court of your Lord, you will be held accountable for your hearing, sight, and the faculty of reasoning [17/36].
24. Never think that you have reached the final stage of knowledge and nobody knows more than yourself. Remember! Above everyone endowed with knowledge is another endowed with more knowledge [12/76]. Even the Prophet [ p.b.u.h] was asked to keep praying, “O My sustainer! Advance me in knowledge.” [20:114]
25. The believers are but a single Brotherhood. Live like members of one family, brothers and sisters unto one another [49/10].
26. Do not make mockery of others or ridicule others [49/11]
27. Do not defame others [49/11]
28. Do not insult others by nicknames [49/11]
29. Avoid suspicion and guesswork. Suspicion and guesswork might deplete your communal energy [49/12]
30. Spy not upon one another [49/12]
31. Do not backbite one another [49/12]
32. When you meet each other, offer good wishes and blessings for safety. One who conveys to you a message of safety and security and also when a courteous greeting is offered to you, meet it with a greeting still more courteous or (at least) of equal courtesy [4/86]
33. When you enter your own home or the home of somebody else, compliment the inmates [24/61]
34. Do not enter houses other than your own until you have sought permission; and then greet the inmates and wish them a life of blessing, purity and pleasure [24/27]
35. Treat kindly your parents, relatives, the orphans and those who have been left alone in the society [4/36]
36. Take care of the needy, the disabled, those whose hard earned income is insufficient to meet their needs, And those whose businesses have stalled, And those who have lost their jobs. [4/36]
37. Treat kindly your related neighbours, and unrelated neighbours, companions by your side in public gatherings, or public transportation. [4/36]
38. Be generous to the needy wayfarer, the homeless son of the street, and the one who reaches you in a destitute condition [4/36]
39. Be nice to people who work under your care. [4/36]
40. Do not follow up what you have given to others to afflict them with reminders of your generosity [2/262].
41. Do not expect a return for your good behaviour, not even thanks [76/9]
42. Cooperate with one another in good deeds and do not cooperate with others in evil and bad matters [5/2]
43. Do no try to impress people on account of self-proclaimed virtues [53/32]
44. You should enjoin right conduct on others but mend your own ways first. Actions speak louder than words. You must first practice good deeds yourself, then preach [2/44]
45. Correct yourself and your families first [before trying to correct others] [66/6]
46. Pardon gracefully if anyone among you who commits a bad deed out of ignorance, and then repents and amends [6/54, 3/134]
47. Divert and sublimate your anger and potentially virulent emotions to creative energy, and become a source of tranquillity and comfort to people [3/134]
48. Call people to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful exhortation. Reason with them most decently [16/125]
49. Leave to themselves those who do not give any importance to the Divine code and have adopted and consider it as mere play and amusement [6/70]
50. Sit not in the company of those who ridicule Divine Law unless they engage in some other conversation [4/140]
51. Do not be jealous of those who are blessed [4/54]
52. In your collective life, make rooms for others [58/11]
53. When invited to dine, Go at the appointed time. Do not arrive too early to wait for the preparation of meal or linger after eating to engage in bootless babble. Such things may cause inconvenience to the host [33/53]
54. Eat and drink [what is lawful] in moderation [7/31].
55. Do not squander your wealth senselessly [17/26]
56. Fulfil your promises and commitments [17/34]
57. Keep yourself clean, pure [9/108, 4/43, 5/6].
58. Dress-up in agreeable attire and adorn yourself with exquisite character from inside out [7/26]
59. Seek your provision only by fair endeavour [29/17, 2/188]
60. Do not devour the wealth and property of others unjustly, nor bribe the officials or the judges to deprive others of their possessions [2/188]
Wonderful!!! Now, Let me do the“cherry pickingâ€from other“holy scriptureâ€. Lets start with the bible :-
Tthe way we should interact with other people
“Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh” (1 Peter 2:17-18).
“He who does not love does not know God, for God is love” (1 John 4:8)
How should we regard those over us in positions of authority
“Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men” (Titus 3:1-2; compare Ephesians 6:5-7).
“First, I tell you to pray for all people, asking God for what they need and being thankful to him. Pray for rulers and for all who have authority so that we can have quiet and peaceful lives full of worship and respect for God. This is good, and it pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to know the truth” (1 Timothy 2:1-4, NCV).
How should husbands and wives interact with each other?
“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her” (Ephesians 5:25).
“Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them” (Colossians 3:19).
“… You husbands should live with your wives in an understanding way, since they are [physically] weaker than you. But show them respect, because God gives them the same blessing he gives you—the grace that gives true life. Do this so that nothing will stop your prayers” (1 Peter 3:7-8, NCV).
“In the same way, you wives should yield to your husbands. Then, if some husbands do not obey God’s teaching, they will be persuaded to believe without anyone’s saying a word to them. They will be persuaded by the way their wives live. Your husbands will see the pure lives you live with your respect for God” (1 Peter 3:1-2, NCV).
Children should show and receive respect
“‘Honor your father and mother’—which is the first commandment with a promise—’that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.’ Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord” (Ephesians 6:2-4, NIV).
“Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord. Fathers, do not embitter your children, lest they become discouraged” (Colossians 3:20-21).
“For the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children” (2 Corinthians 12:14).
Respond to everyone with kindness and gentleness
“And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all …” (2 Timothy 2:24).
“Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love” (Ephesians 4:2, NIV).
Concern for others include those who dislike us
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust” (Matthew 5:43-45).
From the commandments, ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ ‘You shall not covet,’
And if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself’” (Romans 13:9).
source - internet sites
more scripturs to come…..
Comment by Shalini S.N.Nair — November 23, 2005 @ 11:01 am
continued….
Preachings by Bhagavad Gita (Hinduism)
10 DISCIPLINES of Hinduism
1. Satya (Truth)
2. Ahimsa (Non-violence)
3. Brahmacharya (Celibacy, non-adultery)
4. Asteya (No desire to possess or steal)
5. Aparighara (Non-corrupt)
6. Shaucha (Cleanliness)
7. Santosh (Contentment)
8. Swadhyaya (Reading of scriptures)
9. Tapas (Austerity, perseverance, penance)
10. Ishwarpranidhan (Regular prayers)
Lord Krishna said: “Fearlessness, purity of inner psyche, perseverance in devotion of Self-knowledge, charity, sense restraint, sacrifice, study of scriptures, austerity, honesty, nonviolence, truthfulness, absence of anger, renunciation, equanimity, abstaining from malicious talk, compassion for all creatures, freedom from greed, gentleness, modesty, absence of fickleness, splendor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, absence of malice, and absence of pride are some of the qualities of those endowed with divine virtues, O Arjuna.†(16.01-03)
Arjuna asked: “O Krishna, what impels one to commit sin as if forced against one’s will?†(3.36)
To which Lord Krishna said: “It is lust born of passion that becomes anger when unfulfilled. Lust is insatiable and is a great devil. Know it as an enemy. (3.37) The senses, the mind, and the intellect are said to be the abode of lust; with these it deludes a person by veiling Self-knowledge. (3.40) Therefore, O Arjuna, by controlling the senses first, control this devil of material desire that destroys Self-knowledge and Self-realization.†(3.41)
“The senses are said to be superior to the body, the mind is superior to the senses, the intellect is superior to the mind, transcendental knowledge is superior to the intellect, and the Self is superior to transcendental knowledge. (3.42) Thus, knowing the Self to be superior to the intellect, and controlling the mind by the intellect that is purified by spiritual practice, one must kill this mighty enemy, lust, O Arjuna.†(3.43)
They think: ‘I have gained this today, I shall fulfill this desire; I have this much wealth, and will have more wealth in the future. (16.13) That enemy has been slain by me, and I shall slay others also. I am the Lord. I am the enjoyer. I am successful, powerful, and happy. (16.14) I am rich and born in a noble family. No one is equal to me. I shall perform sacrifice, I shall give charity, and I shall rejoice.’ Thus deluded by ignorance, bewildered by many fancies, entangled in the net of delusion, and addicted to the enjoyment of sensual pleasure, they fall into foul hell. (16.16) Self-conceited, stubborn, filled with pride and intoxication of wealth; they perform religious services only in name, for show, and not according to scriptural injunction.†(16.17)
Lord Krishna’s Last Sermon
At the end of another long sermon comprising of more than one thousand verses, disciple Uddhava said: “O Lord Krishna, I think the pursuit of God as You narrated to Arjuna, and now to me, is very difficult indeed, for most people; because it entails control of unruly senses. Please tell me a short, simple, and easy way to God-realization.â€
Lord Krishna upon Uddhava’s request gave the essentials of Self-realization as follows:
* Do your duty, to the best of your ability, for Me without worrying about the outcome. Remember Me at all times.
* Perceive that God is within every living being. Mentally bow down to all beings and treat all beings equally.
* Perceive through the activities of mind, senses, breathing, and emotions that the power of God is within you at all times, and is constantly doing all the work using you as a mere instrument and a trustee.
more later…
Comment by Shalini S.N.Nair — November 23, 2005 @ 11:42 am
Continued….
The Five Precepts of Bhuddism
1.Do not kill. This is sometimes translated as “not harming” or an absence of violence.
2.Do not steal. This is generally interpreted as including the avoidance of fraud and economic exploitation.
3.Do not lie. This is sometimes interpreted as including name calling, gossip, etc.
4.Do not misuse sex. For monks and nuns, this means any departure from complete celibacy. For the laity, adultery is forbidden, along with any sexual harassment or exploitation, including that within marriage. The Buddha did not discuss consensual premarital sex within a committed relationship; Buddhist traditions differ on this.
5.Do not consume alcohol or other drugs. The main concern here is that intoxicants cloud the mind. Some have included as a drug other methods of divorcing ourselves from reality — e.g. movies, television, the Internet.
The Buddha’s Eightfold Path ……..
Panna: Discernment, wisdom:
1) Samma ditthi Right Understanding of the Four Noble Truths
2) Samma sankappa: Right thinking; following the right path in life
Sila: Virtue, morality:
3) Samma vaca: Right speech: no lying, criticism, condemning, gossip, harsh language
4) Samma kammanta Right conduct by following the Five Precepts
5) Samma ajiva: Right livelihood; support yourself without harming others
Samadhi: Concentration, meditation:
Samma samadhi Right Concentration: Meditate to achieve a higher state of consciousness
6) Samma vayama Right Effort: promote good thoughts; conquer evil thoughts
7) Samma sati Right Mindfulness: Become aware of your body, mind and feelings
source - internet sites (So is the Hinduism Ethics)
Comment by Shalini S.N.Nair — November 23, 2005 @ 11:59 am
Now the doubt,
If all religon encourage Good behaviour, why the world is in the state it is now? Why are people killing other people? Why are some considered superior and some inferior? Why oh Why?
The answer is elementary: secularism and materialism.
- MENJ
Comment by Shalini S.N.Nair — November 23, 2005 @ 12:02 pm
MENJ,
Your answer is comical!!! From Joshua The Mass Murderer to London’s sucide bombers, most killings and wars of this world was God ordained!!!
You are not listening. I said that the crux of the problem TODAY is secularism and the materialism ideologies which give birth to skeptics like you who see every problem as originating from religion.
Lets take an example near home. Tell me where secularism and materialism fits in.
The is once an elderly man (probably have mental problem too). He proclaimed to be the King of Sky Kingdom. He has followers (probably crack addicts). But they believe this old man as is their savior!!! And they are happy with that!! Then come God’s (This time, Allah’s) Squad…. Demolishing these people’s home, places of worships, idols and what not!!! And as a result, The elderly man ran off - probably would be caught soon. But still- their freedom to believe and live the life they choose is denied, simply because some other (superior groop - the chosen one probably) thinks that the last messenger has already came and gone!!! Masacre purely in the name of God. Where is secularism. Where is Materialism???
I have blogged about Ayah Pin in the past and how this madman abused Islam for his own purposes. You might want to do a search for it in this blog.
Let me quote you
Where was the respect and honour???
You reject religion and yet you still see it fit to quote from a religious text (in this case, the Qur’an). Why don’t you bring proof from your own “scripture” (the scripture of Science), where does your “religion” (or non-religion) teaches you any form of respect or honour? Does your prophets (Einstein and Darwin) teach about the Golden Rule which is the ethic of Jesus? Or have they epitomised the Golden Rule and synthesised it with the Law of Moses as the Prophet Muhammad (P) did? C’mon, I challenge you.
- MENJ
Comment by Shalini.S.N.Nair — November 23, 2005 @ 4:09 pm
Lets not do the “fault” shifting here MENJ. I don’t see every problem as originating from religon. I used the word “most”. Lets focus on the conflicts caused by “religon” as we are discussing “Moral Preaching” by religons (Quran here).
I followed your advice and did search your blog entries on Ayah Pin. Like I said, you look at everything while your eyes are covered by “green screen”. You do not want to give freedom of faith to others. So what if Ayah Pin and his followers go against Islamic teaching? Are you not supposed to respect them anyway (as per the No.1 Scripture you posted above)
Err…Menj, This Blog is titled “The Quran, a Way Of Life”. I quoted your quote and asked, why, are there no tolerence towards non-believers when the scripture itself promote them???
By the way, while it is true that I reject religon, I never have any problem with anybody practicing religon (as long as it does not violate the right of others.) Every religon (or most) basically promotes donation to the poor, fasting and pilgrimage…These are all good deeds indeed!!!
It’s when you try to impose your belief and set of value on others that the problem arise!
I am not member of any sect (religous or otherwise!) I don’t follow any scriptures too. Einstien, Darwin and any other scientiests you can name are great people whom I highly respect, but I do not see them as my prophet and neither do I feel compelled to ape their moral values.
I never try to impose my moral values on others. I never smoke and drink alcohol but I support the right of people to drink and smoke!!! You can follow youR religous belief and refrain yourself from drinking, but when you look down to others who drink - that becomes different matter altogether!!!
Anyway, lets not divert this any futher. Lets stick
Why is it that despite having numorous verses on good behavior and respects and honour, are people still getting slain all over for God’s sake?
Comment by Shalini.S.N.Nair — November 23, 2005 @ 9:17 pm
“Why is it that despite having numorous verses on good behavior and respects and honour, are people still getting slain all over for God’s sake?”
Maybe it’s because although people profess to be of a particular religion or belief system, none of them actually truly understands or practices it. People are after all people. In most cases people will usually select whatever they like and just discard the rest. And in most cases where atrocities are carried out in the name of religion, often there are other factors (such as race, vendettas, etc.) involved. I don’t think there is any example in history where a religion or belief system would say to its followers “Today is the day that we purify the world. Go and kill all the unbelieversâ€. The problem is with people and not the belief system. Lack of understanding, a superiority complex, and plain stupidity.
Comment by theone — November 26, 2005 @ 12:41 am
I agree with you theOne. 100% agree. No matter what religon we are. No metter what we believe in…Only we decide whether or no we will be good!!!!
Allah nahe…Shiva nahe…Jesus nahe…sirf hum, insaan….
Comment by Shalini.S.N.Nair — November 27, 2005 @ 1:28 am
Shalini & Menj,
Both you guys have waxed eloquent. Great!
Now get real. all religions teach peace, yes, but not the Quran. I am after the Quran as this is supposed to be pro Quran blog. The quran is so full of commentary to kill, kill and kill some more that it will make Al Capone look like some amateur hood.
So do not give me the nonsense that THE QURAN IS A WAY OF LIFE…IT IS A WAY OF TAKING LIFE.
Comment by Ashok Saldanha — November 27, 2005 @ 5:01 pm
Ashok, are you saying that there is no verse in Quran that promotes peace and love?
Comment by Shalini.S.N.Nair — November 27, 2005 @ 10:22 pm
Shalini,
Did I say there is no verse? I DID NOT!!!
Take out your pocket calculator and check out the no of times the Quran speaks about love & peace & caring and then try counting the time it exhorts people to Kill, Kill and Kill some more.
Further, how can you trust something (Quran) which if you look at it logically is based on hearsay. Mohammed is the only one to have heard a so called allah speak to him. And moreover there are umpteen verses in which his so called allah spoke at the right time to allow him to marry or do things which were not the done thing. Remember his marriage to his daughter in law. Oooh… That was a real revelation!!!!
So all the 60 Pulitzer winning points quoted above look like hypocricy coming from a recital (not book - the book was made much later nearly a century after the prophet kicked the bucket).
I am sure that along with the so called 60 points of ‘A WAY OF LIFE” you could have given numberless points on ‘HOW TO TAKE LIFE’ in the Quran.
Comment by Ashok Saldanha — November 27, 2005 @ 11:28 pm
Hmmm…. interesting question indeed!!!
Now lets see…
First you said
Then I asked
To which you made a somersault and demanded
So what is your stand actually? Do Islam preach peace or not!!! If you say no, I am sure MENJ would throw all the verses to your direction!! Hell even I would do the same!!!If you say yes, I rest my case!!
I don’t need to do that!!! I know Quran(Islam) preach intolerence towards non-muslims. It’s a known fact!!!At the same time it preaches peace too!! It’s upon the “Believer” I suppose to follow either path!!!
We do not have to trust a person to agree and follow the good quality/behavior he/she preaches. Doesn’t matter if it comes from God or from Muhammad’s hallucination or even he is purely making it up!!! If its good quality, if it benefits onself and the mass, follow it!!!
Comment by Shalini.S.N.Nair — November 28, 2005 @ 11:38 pm
Ashok,
I don’t disagree with you, but I just like to point out that the commandment to kill is not only found in the Koran, but the Bible as well. As a matter of fact, the holy scriptures of all monotheistic faiths contain similar charges to believers to disparage unbelievers in one way or the other, including but not limited to, killing and stoning them.
Comment by Infidel — November 29, 2005 @ 8:32 am
Ashok,
I think you are brutal people who like to kill, because you said “Kill, Kill and Kill some more”.
Comment by perswis — November 29, 2005 @ 10:48 am
Shalini,
In my post I had added, “Take out your pocket calculator and check out the no of times the Quran speaks about love & peace & caring and then try counting the time it exhorts people to Kill, Kill and Kill some more.” The operative words here were “no of times”, you dissected my post and missed the trees as usual because of the wood. In other words you are saying from a rotting fruit, try and eat the “good” portions and spit out the bad. Funny, something like this coming from god isn’t it?
Give me a break, I think you are a ruddy dunderhead, a so called book (Quran) given by a so called god (Allah) has according to you “Doesn’t matter if it comes from God or from Muhammad’s hallucination or even he is purely making it up!!! If its good quality, if it benefits oneself and the mass, follow it!!!” Pure crap!!!
I do not think you or thinking straight here.
Comment by Ashok Saldanha — December 2, 2005 @ 10:53 pm
Perswis,
“No comment”
Comment by Ashok Saldanha — December 2, 2005 @ 10:53 pm
Infidel,
Really!!! But the Quran is explicit. Other monotheistic religions do have their followers being told to disparage unbelievers, but then nothing like the Quran which makes its followers kill others and think they are going to get one big orgasm in heaven.
The Quran does not say much, but if you read the hadiths which are sayings and doings of Mohammed then you will get a better understanding.
Comment by Ashok Saldanha — December 2, 2005 @ 11:00 pm
Ashok,
Yeah! I am aware of your instruction!!! But this came after I ask you
Before that you said
You explicitly said that all religous text except QURAN teach peace!!! When I pointed out my doubt…you did a somersoult and ask me to take out my calculator!!!!
You have other option Mister. When you made a mistake, you can apologize and move on! But that requires some culture!!!
Was it Alexander Pope who said A man should never be ashamed to own that he has been in the wrong, which is but saying in other words that he is wiser today than he was yesterday. How true!!!
By the way, I don’t have a pocket culculator and I can afford to own one (I am struggling and trying to take one day at a time). Why don’ you send a few ringgit over?!
Which part of this is crap???
Really? Have you made any comperative studies on all (or atleast one) religous text? Can you prove this (that other religous text does not promise sexual pleasure in return of “spreading GOD’s word?”)
Amother somersault from this “koopa Mandookam”. Let us focus on Quran here Sir. Don’t do your “thavala chaattam” (frog jump)!!!
Comment by Shalini.S.N.Nair — December 3, 2005 @ 12:43 am
Shalini,
I do not think there is a point arguing with you about what I said and what you said. You seem to be missing the trees for the wood all the time, and are so full of your own fulminations you are looking bloated.
But one thing I liked apart from “I not know if allah exists” in which you agreed with me that there is no god - refer the bali bombings - was this (My post to Infidel)”The Quran does not say much, but if you read the hadiths which are sayings and doings of Mohammed then you will get a better understanding.”
(You reply) Another somersault from this “koopa Mandookamâ€. Let us focus on Quran here Sir. Don’t do your “thavala chaattam†(frog jump)!!!
All the while I thought the Quran and the Hadiths were related and one complimented the other. Be careful Shalini, you may find a rabid mullah with a knife after you for blasphemy and for changing what the muslims the world over believe.
So since quoting the Quran and the Hadiths in the same breath is wrong according to you, then in the same vein you answering for “infidel” is wrong unless you and “infidel” are the same person.
I rest my case.
Comment by Ashok Saldanha — December 4, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
Ha..Ha..Ha.. Ashok is cracking up!!!
I don’t remember answering to “Infidel”. Can you point me to my “answer”? Anyway, while searching for my non-existant answer to “infidel” I cam across your respond to “infidel” whiich I found interesting. Let me quote it…
I have given you quotes from the “Old Testement” and “Bhagawad Gita” on instruction to kill. You kept quiet (rightfully) there. Now you are throwing the same vomit here! How disgusting!!!
You thought right!! there is no point in arguing on this. You claimed Quran does not promote peace. When confronted you back peddled and agreed that Quran does promote peace!!! One of the beauty of written argument is that you can always scroll back and quote others!!! You contradicted your self. You either made a mistake and reluctant to admit it or you simply lie to support you HaTE campaign against Muslims here. Either way you got cought with your pants down! End of the story. You should just admit and move on…but like I said that requires some culture!!!
Are you not the same idiot who not long ago claimed
See…you are contradicting your self again. Now be nice and zip your fly!!!
Good!! I guess you’ve reach puberty. If so, why don’t you go find a good girl, get married and live peacefully!!!!
Comment by Shalini.S.N.Nair — December 5, 2005 @ 12:47 pm
Shalini,
I am not cracking up, it is you who are crack (loony). You better get your eyes checked. I said, “answering FOR infidel” not “answering TO infidel”, and by your reaction I guess I have hit a raw nerve. YOU ARE INFIDEL. Do you also dress up in drag? If you think your pathetic attempts of putting words in my mouth as usual will work, then you have another think coming.
Oh really quotes from the OT & BG, sorry infidel, oops…”Shalini” not good enough. None of the violence is so well written & explicit as the Quran, which should get a Nobel prize in horror writing, and this is the reason today that these befuddled idiots -you are included in this clan because you seem to be pandering to it - are doing what they are doing. Read the newspapers or watch TV, everywhere and anywhere, you will notice, (I am sure after you get your eyes checked you will notice more) violence mainly from MUSLIMS. Kill, Kill and Kill some more to get the Islamic messaged across, the mantra from the Quran which is ATTESTED to by the Hadiths is now coming alive by making people die violently.
If I have reached puberty, then I have also started thinking logically which seems beyond you. From your silly responses look like you have reached menopause, because you seem to have become quiet senile in your thinking.
Get real! If there is a god, rest assured it won’t be the violent one from the Quran.
Comment by Ashok Saldanha — December 7, 2005 @ 12:53 am
Ashok,
To clear things up, I am not the same person as Shalini.
Again, I don’t disagree with your assessment of Koran’s killing mandate, what I would say is that the Bible is just as explicit in this. Check out the Old Testament. The difference is that Christians are better behaved than Islamists, and they are genuinely embarrassed by the killing mandates in the Bible. Over the years, Christians have come up with all sorts of funny justification and rationalization to play down these embarrassing aspects of the Bible (to the extent of even inventing a new discipline call Apologetics). Muslims on the other hand, continue to display the unpleasant tendency of having its numbers (albeit a small one) led into maiming and killing in the name of Koran.
This is the reason why in an earlier post, I exhorted Menj to use his considerable talents to try and root out the extremists in Muslims’ midst, instead of wasting time waging a “jihad†to correct public misconception of Islam.
Let’s be nice to each other Ashok and Shalini, debating issues is fine, but try not to let that legitimate discussion slide into name calling.
Cheers
Comment by Infidel — December 7, 2005 @ 9:04 am
Ha ha Ha!!! He is doing Tripple jump now!!!
I thought you said there is nothing much in Quran!! Let me refresh your memory
Edey “mana-rogi”*, you are going in circle now!!!
I don’t understand a word of this!!! I never answered To or For “Infidel” in this weblog. What are you saying?
Yess!! I am as much as a loony as you know!! And I have reached my menopause and I am senile too!! But if you throw up some garbage and try to pass it as a fact or justifiable opinion, I will definately bark! Mind it!!!
Anyway, while going in circle on Quran’s content and your clonomaniac theory of linking me and “Infidel” you conviniently forgot to answer my doubt.
Let me ask again
You said
I asked
Which part of this is crap???
Waiting eagerly for your answer…..
*For Racist Hater- I know you will have your curiosity attack again seeing this word. It means “mental-patient”. It’s a Malayalam vord. This is a free lesson for you. (Consider as sampling
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Comment by Shalini.S.N.Nair — December 7, 2005 @ 11:34 pm